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Posted Fri, Feb 29 2008

Do as I say, not as I do...


Elizabeth Ross ~
McCain, beyond his hawkish nature, is best known for his pious speeches on campaign reform. He has preached the ills of lobbyists on one hand, but has surrounded himself with them on his campaign staff. His supporters screamed foul when the New York Times pointed out that he had been paying more attention to one lobbyist in particular during his 2000 campaign.

All of this could be written off as "liberal media" trying to hang him, up until now. When George Will comes out with the same refrain, perhaps there is more to all of these issues after all. Since this commentary came out yesterday, I'm wondering when/if the mainstream media will pick up on the fact that even those within the conservative ranks are sincerely questioning McCain's ethics and character.

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29
Feb
2008

RightWingAdvocate

Fundamentally McCain is a good man. His conservative credentials are under attack even from us conservatives. But, he is a man to be respected. I appreciate that he has come around a bit and finally seems to embrace the values that I live by.

 
29
Feb
2008

Elizabeth Ross responds:

Are your values of "old style" conservatism that demanded smaller government and near religious respect for personal freedoms, or is it the Neo-Con variety that demands the opposite?

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29
Feb
2008

HardRightAdvocate

I believe in smaller government and living by certain values. Is this an issue for you?

 
29
Feb
2008

Elizabeth Ross responds:

People having a clear set of values is rarely a problem for me. When the values include trying to force others to abide by one's personal belief system without regard for others' thoughts or beliefs, then that can be a problem.

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29
Feb
2008

Non-Elegible responds:

I agree, there is no room for "mind-conductive" behaviors in a country's government. Open tolerance is the way.

Well said Elizabeth.

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29
Feb
2008

Toby

Out of curiosity are you asking Elizabeth if it's a personal issue or a political issue of particular interest to her? You seem a little confrontational. Not that it's a problem - I find it entertaining I'm just wondering if I'm reading you wrong.

 
01
Mar
2008

HardRightAdvocate responds:

"Tolerance" is just another way of saying we will accept any %$# that comes our way. At some point you need to take a stand.

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01
Mar
2008

HardRightAdvocate

Is personal and political different for you? I would hope in the long run that people's personal and political issues would become one and the same.

 
01
Mar
2008

Elizabeth Ross responds:

Making the personal political is a hallmark of the NeoCon movement. All interpersonal relationships involve some form of politicking, but that doesn't mean that they are "political" in the public sense of the term as applied to government. Government and politics entering into the personal lives of the people is something we have seen most often in fascist forms of government. So, no I do not want to see the personal become political any more than it has - actually want to see the two separate.

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01
Mar
2008

Elizabeth Ross

Tolerance in itself can be a place to take a stand. Like the fact that a very long time ago I made a decision that I would try to be tolerant of the beliefs of people I disagree with. I'm an atheist, my son's father is a member of the UCC, our son is being raised in that faith, and I have no objections to that. I keep my personal thoughts on faith to myself for now, but when our son is an adult, I will explain myself if he asks. Tolerance is where one stands to defend the Bill of Rights, in particular the Freedoms of Speech and Religion. To enjoy those freedoms we must defend the right of others to do the same, even when we totally disagree with them.

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01
Mar
2008

Non-Elegible responds:

I think, tolerance should be an standardized value because we all are born different, we all grow in unique environments and society affects us all in different ways. One cannot expect others to really "see" thru certain perspective, is physically impossible. I agree, TOLERANCE should be the starting point to a more organized and respectful society.

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02
Mar
2008

HardRightAdvocate

The constitution can be interpreted many ways. Where do you draw the line between being tolerant and letting society disitengrate into a moral abyss?

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02
Mar
2008

Elizabeth Ross responds:

If you want to maintain a government that is even remotely related to democracy, you must surrender the ability to legislate morality. That is, you may not legislate on moral issues that involve behaviors we classify as "acceptable between consenting adults" and the like. Otherwise, until we can learn to standardly separate religion and morality, the whole concept of attempting to create a more moral society is on an extremely slippery slope. A good start at changing that will be the day when all who consider themselves "religious" (or all who believe in a deity), finally accept that atheists can also be moral.

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Mar
2008

HardRightAdvocate

Atheist can be moral, unfortunately it is fundamentally uncommon.

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